1080p DTVs Seen 'Proliferating' Soon, HDTV Forum is Told

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August 27, 2004, Friday
1080p DTVs Seen 'Proliferating' Soon, HDTV Forum is Told

LOS ANGELES -- Picture quality matters as much to a consumer as form factor in a DTV set purchase, speaker after speaker emphasized here at this week's HDTV Forum. Set-maker executives said CE will respond next year with a "proliferation" of DTV products capable of 1080p resolution, putting the onus on broadcasters and the content industry to respond with 1080p HDTV programming.

Their embracing of 1080p as the ultimate DTV step-up feature seemed a form of backlash at statements earlier in the conference by ABC and ESPN executives that 720p was just fine for live football telecasts in HDTV. Overall, "there's an unmistakable trend" toward larger screen sizes in all DTV technologies, "and this trend will accelerate," Jonas Tanenbaum, Samsung senior mktg. mgr. for visual display products, told the Forum Wed. His other prediction was that microdisplay- based rear-projection will make a very aggressive attempt to "imitate" the form factor of flat- panel plasma and LCD. In turn, he said, 30%-thinner CRT- based rear-projection will seek to emulate microdisplay- based rear-projection DTV. It's expected that sets capable of 1920x1080p reproduction -- the "holy grail" of HDTV -- soon will "proliferate" as more programming becomes available and there's more exposure to consumers of the benefits of 1080p, Tanenbaum said.

Tanenbaum said it's projected there will be an eightfold increase in shipments of flat-panel DTVs through 2007. Form factor and picture quality are driving the success of flat panel, and the consumer is somewhat indifferent about which technology is used in the set, Tanenbaum said. Until now, the flat-panel DTV "landscape has been segmented" by screen sizes, he said. In LCD TV, 80% of the units sold at present are in screen sizes of 20W or less, he said. Plasma has been concentrated in the 32W-42W segment, while microdisplay- based rear-projection DTVs have dominated the 50W and larger "space," he said. In the near future, there will emerge "battleground" screen sizes among the 3 technologies, he said; LCD TVs will get larger, plasma will grow more focused on its core 40W and 42W base, and microdisplay will need to continue to increase in size to keep pace to maintain its forte as delivering big picture and high performance in a small cabinet.

Scott Ramirez, vp-mktg., at Toshiba America Consumer Products, agreed with Tanenbaum that while 720p will become "the standard" in fixed-pixel plasma displays, 1080p will be the norm in "top end" product such as microdisplay-based projection TVs, step up LCD TVs, and a new realm of flat-panel technology to be introduced in the next few months by Toshiba and others. He estimated over 25% of microdisplay-based projection TV could be 1080p next year and that proportion will grow quickly from there. Although 1080p will be found in flat-panel TVs 37W and larger, it will become a more important feature in screen sizes over 40W, Ramirez said.

As for new product developments from Toshiba, Ramirez hinted the company would introduce them soon. "SED" products -- resulting from joint development work between Toshiba and Canon -- will be billed as "the ultimate" large-screen flat-panel technology, he said. "OEL" -- the result of joint development with Matsushita -- will be given the same description in small screen flat panel, he said. Among its many frills, SED will be self- illuminating for low power consumption with no backlight or fan needed, Ramirez said. OEL's attributes will include the thinnest form factor and widest viewing angles possible when compared with other small-screen flat-panel technologies, he said.

Flat-panel TV growth will continue to double this year, with LCD dominating the market in screen sizes 40W and less, plasma 40W and above, Ramirez said. Moreover, flat-panel will continue to co-exist with microdisplay- based rear-projection, he said. As flat-panel TV grows increasingly "price-sensitive" this holiday selling season and beyond -- particularly in 13W-42W screen sizes -- microdisplays at 45W-73W will "continue to show value," Ramirez said. He agreed with Tanenbaum that microdisplays would grow thinner "and more flat panel- like" to try and emulate the successful form factor of plasma and LCD.

The big constraint of microdisplays has been their short supply -- a subject repeatedly emphasized by speakers at the Forum. Lamp and screen suppliers built their factory capacities to conform to analysts' projections that the industry would sell only 840,000 microdisplay-based rear-projection DTVs this year, said Vincent Sollitto, CEO at LCoS developer Brillian Corp. But the analysts were wrong, "and now we're in a situation where we can't get as many of the parts we want," although the shortage is expected to abate later this year and early next, Sollitto said.

All the major microdisplay technologies "have a place in this incredible $20 billion market," Sollitto said. LCoS has been "much-maligned" over the years, beginning with the unsuccessful attempt by Thomson and Three-Five Systems to build an RCA-branded LCoS rear- projection TV in 2002, he said. The effort failed because "there wasn't any infrastructure in place at that time," he said. "We haven't had a lot of good history in the past" for LCoS, Sollitto said, adding: "This year has been a little different -- we've had some good news and some disappointing news." Introductions of 720p products from Brillian, JVC and Sanyo and Sony's Qualia- branded 1080p front projector (which Sony calls "SXRD") lent much-needed credibility to the LCoS sector, he said. When Intel announced at the last CES it was going to enter the LCoS market, "we all cheered because we would have a big brother to fight the evil demons in Texas," Sollitto said jokingly in reference to the LCoS-rival Texas Instruments DLP camp. "But the guys at Intel discover it was a little more difficult that just putting silicon on top of silicon," he said. But he predicted "they're going to come back next year and help us fight the good fight" against DLP. -- Paul Gluckman
 
Why does everyone hate TI? I know people don't like it that they've got a monopoly (aka patent) on DLP, but we're a capitalistic country. Shots at Disney look a little off considering new statements from them. Now for a question. How much difference will 1080p make for people with >40 inch screens? Is it big or just incremental. I thought I read somewhere that the biggest winners in the 1080p world would be FP owners.
 
My dad works for TI so I am biased on that aspect. A lot of people don't know this, but TI shares the patent for the semiconductor too. I think them doing the DLP technology is great!! If LCoS companies want to gripe and moan let them. If they think they can produce a better technology the more the better in my opinion.
 
I think the biggest gripe about TI is that they seem to be holding back on the technology that they have. I have followed the digital projector field over at avsforum and some of the members have asked at different times if TI makes a TRUE 1080p chip, they were told that TI does make one but TI doesn't think that there would be public intrest (not too smart, some of these guys are dropping $30,000 for Sony's latest). Of course TI releases a incremental upgrade every six month or so to their 720p chips which has brought up conspiricy theorys that TI wants to milk the 720p market for all they can before releasing a true 1080p device. So many now look to Lcos or LCD devices because those manufacturers appear to really be trying to bring a true 1080p device to market. Needless to say that hasn't created any good feelings in the home theater community twords TI and therefore the ill feelings and comments. Neutron, if you could talk to you dad if he is involved at all in the display area and if he has some info that would convince home theater users that TI is actually interested in releaseing these chips then maybe opinions would change, until then I'm afraid feelings twords them isn't going to change. Btw I am a crt front projection user and don't really care what TI or any other company does right now, but maybe someday if or when a display that is as good or better than I already have comes out....
 
He doesn't work directly in the DLP side of things, but he keeps up with what they make, so he may know.

I e-mailed him and will post what I find out.

Please don't bash TI too much yall. TI helped pay for my expenses growing up.

By the way, if any of you have cell phones I can almost guarantee you have chips made by TI.
 
If backlash should come from anywhere, it should be people at the lower end of the market, not higher end. Joe six pack who just picked up his 1080i TV might not appreciate being outclassed this quickly :)
 
1080p capable plasma and LCD TV's are in the making right now. The new 60"+ plasmas are all capable of 1080p. The LCos Toshiba that came out 2 years ago was already capable of 1080p. The problem will be bandwidth, who's going to broadcast? We will probably only be able to get it from a disc or hard drive recording.

Over at AVSForum, there is a thread about Mark Cuban and the future of HD and he talks about portable hard drives being the next big thing. They are getting so small with large capacity that you can store a HD movie on a quarter sized hard drive and just plug it in via a USB or Firewire port, how cool would that be?
 
1080p material would be easy on BluRay... The HD DVD war will be interesting next year as both formats run to get units out. I personally hope BluRay works, I may be overly optimistic that they can get 50GB on a 2 layer disk and eventually 100GB on a 4 layer disk.

1080p OTA would be quite possible in 19.2mbit/sec considering compression has gotten so much better that 1080i is closer to 10-12mbit/sec. But, how many existing boxes could decode 1080p? Plus then all the "extra" stations on the OTA would have have to go.


Hmmmm NAB does not want to give up their analog stations... Maybe they should support a 10 year transition period to 1080p, they could use the second channel for the conversion...
 
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The "product war" is coming in the 2005 lines. We will see drastic reductions in the prices of HDTV sets across the board. More drastic than before. I know for a fact the Ultimate Electronics is retro fitting all their stores again to make room for the new lines.

They will be removing 80LF from each location, in this they are phasing out the tube TV's and making room MORE flat panel displays. If you have been to an Ultimate Electronics store you will know how many flat panels they offer now, this will more than triple the current compliment of products.

I am sure all retailers will follow suit as this appears to be the market trend. Tubes are just not selling now due to the upcoming transition to DTV.
 
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1080i looks much better than 720p on my native 720p DLP

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