Correct!But, and I repeat, Charles can't use that DPH twin because he has 2 Hopper 3s which require the use of that 42 switch.
Correct!But, and I repeat, Charles can't use that DPH twin because he has 2 Hopper 3s which require the use of that 42 switch.
We're an RSP for Dish and the only reason I haven't posted a picture is because I'm an area manager, not a tech, so I'm not out installing them, but if you insist, I will get you all a nice, clear picture today. IDGAD what retailers say. Retailers on the Heirarchy are at the bottom of the list. This isn't the old days. Retailers don't have metrics, don't have sales, and are a dying breed.Well something doesn't make sense, because I posed this question on Claude's dealer board & nobody there has seen &/or heard of it, either. (not sure if you are an independent dealer, or if your company is an RSP for DISH, but if you're the later, maybe that's why you guys are getting these LNBF's...)
AND...while I understand the subs on this board are a fraction of E* subs, not a single member here has mentioned getting one of these, that has been installed "for months now". Is it some deep, dark trade secret that prevents you from posting a simple pic of this???
FWIW, I also mentioned re: EA being retired & several techs responded that not only have they not heard a thing about this, but in fact, as recently as a week ago, they are STILL being sent work orders with EA dishes. Matter of fact one of the board admins is a larger dealer that installs in 2 different EA DMA's & has not heard a thing about it going away. And considering the couple of dealers that mentioned this are pretty up on E*'s procedures, I find it hard to believe they missed notices from E*.
Because that's what a LOT of tech geeks (ie: people on THIS board) do!Why would most custies notice?
Well honestly it's been that way pretty much IN the old days as well...so things really haven't changed in that respectRetailers on the Heirarchy are at the bottom of the list...and are a dying breed.
I totally got thatAs for EA, I didn't say they were retiring it right now, I said as early as next spring.
Very aware of that; FWIW that dealer I was speaking of, does installs in the southeast (FL, AL)Your area has never been on EA.
I apologize for inferring this...but I guess it's mind-numbing to me that E* is having you RSP's do things one way, but keeping retailers "in the dark" for what's eventually going to happen in the fairly near future. Having EA retire "as early as next spring" could be less than a calendar year & having even (the few) retailers putting in crap that's eventually going to have to be either swapped &/or repointed within that time frame, just seems completely - insane - to me.Also, I don't appreciate this insinuation that I'm just making things up
....and have been for years, which quickly becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That said however, how hard would it be to mention this to retailers on the Retailer Portal? We get emails from our rep weekly and this hasn't been mentioned ONCE.Retailers on the Heirarchy are at the bottom of the list.
LNB is a low noise block. LNBF is a low noise block feed. They are names for the same type of signal receiving apparatus, there is no distinction in the naming.I am confused on what LNBs are called. Is the DPP version called LNBF? What is the hybrid version called?
Well, all of their malfeasance, misconduct & mismanagement is going to go away within a few years as they rightfully lose cx's in droves and will be compelled to either shutter satellite altogether or to maintain an unprofitable basic rural service.....and have been for years, which quickly becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That said however, how hard would it be to mention this to retailers on the Retailer Portal? We get emails from our rep weekly and this hasn't been mentioned ONCE.
Reminds me of my Viasat days when they would send emails that covered virtually nothing that was actually relevant to their dealers and NOT mention things that were absolutely vital, like the time they changed the keys and didn't say a word about it which caused literally thousands of tech hours to be lost the following days.
DPH, apparently, which would only make sense. All DBS antenna (dish) electronics units are referenced as LNBFs (Low-Noise Amplifier with Block Down-Conversion & Feed - "LNABDCF" would be too wordy), which evolved from LNAs & LNBs as used on C/Ku band. So now there would be 4 different (500) Twins: The old original, the DP, the DPP and now this DPH. I do see that DiSH referenced as "LNB" on that WO. That's just an abb. for LNBF.I am confused on what LNBs are called. Is the DPP version called LNBF? What is the hybrid version called?
I really only did 1 of those that I can recall, and I didn't like it. Maybe like 2007.When did the 500+ come out?
Got it. Thanks Jim5506LNB is a low noise block. LNBF is a low noise block feed. They are names for the same type of signal receiving apparatus, there is no distinction in the naming.
DPP is a Dish Pro Plus LNB or LNBF. The hybrid is a DPH LNB or LNBF.
It's technically more accurate to say "LNBF" than "LNB." The LNBF includes the antenna, low-noise amplifier, block downconverter, and feedhorn.
LNBF doesn't include antenna, which would be the dish. The feed (F) is simply the "horn(s)" that face the dish to collect the signal. I guess it by that could be considered to contain a "component" of the antenna- a device to collect & convey the dish's reflected signal. LNAs and LNBs need to be attached to a separate feedhorn, and LNAs further needed to be connected to a standalone BDC for rx's using block downconversion. LNBs incorporated the BDC that was sometimes added on to an LNA and were just called LNBs instead of "LNABDCs" for brevity.Got it. Thanks Jim5506
Thanks telstar_1LNBF doesn't include antenna, which would be the dish. The feed (F) is simply the "horn(s)" that face the dish to collect the signal. I guess it by that could be considered to contain a "component" of the antenna- a device to collect & convey the dish's reflected signal. LNAs and LNBs need to be attached to a separate feedhorn.
The E15 move is just a replacement. It is conus so does not affect localsIt may well be that there aren't enough WA spot transponders available to co locate all of the EA only ones. Remember that there is a satellite being moved over to the 110 slot. That may relieve that issue. So, perhaps, Dish is doing this transformation slowly going by geography to get a head start on the inevitable.
Only Echostar knows the status of their satellites. Some of the satellites are getting "old" and maybe they are initiating contingency plans to address the possible loss of a satellite in the next few years (or sooner).As for EA, I didn't say they were retiring it right now, I said as early as next spring.
I know Jim explained it above but every "eye" on a video Dish is an LNBF.I am confused on what LNBs are called. Is the DPP version called LNBF? What is the hybrid version called?
Frankly, I'm confused bout several things. LOS for East Coast customers.It may well be that there aren't enough WA spot transponders available to co locate all of the EA only ones. Remember that there is a satellite being moved over to the 110 slot. That may relieve that issue. So, perhaps, Dish is doing this transformation slowly going by geography to get a head start on the inevitable.
Not only changed the keys, but still put the old keys on the work orders and THEN removed the Viasat Installer portal so you could no longer look up a customer to see what their Modem Key and Customer Code was....and have been for years, which quickly becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That said however, how hard would it be to mention this to retailers on the Retailer Portal? We get emails from our rep weekly and this hasn't been mentioned ONCE.
Reminds me of my Viasat days when they would send emails that covered virtually nothing that was actually relevant to their dealers and NOT mention things that were absolutely vital, like the time they changed the keys and didn't say a word about it which caused literally thousands of tech hours to be lost the following days.
In the olden days, the only name we had was LNA (Low Noise Amplifier). Then block down conversion come along as LNBA (Low Noise BLock converting Amplifier). That's mostly fallen out of favor, but I still use it out of habit. Both LNB and LNBF are the common acronyms these days.LNB is a low noise block. LNBF is a low noise block feed. They are names for the same type of signal receiving apparatus, there is no distinction in the naming.
DPP is a Dish Pro Plus LNB or LNBF. The hybrid is a DPH LNB or LNBF.
It's technically more accurate to say "LNBF" than "LNB." The LNBF includes the antenna, low-noise amplifier, block downconverter, and feedhorn.